ANGELS ARE MADE OF LIGHT

from the EDITING ROOM FLOOR : interview : hikmat

Hikmat (right) talking with his friend, Nabiullah, who is featured in Angels Are Made Of Light; Hikmat’s interview - about the death of his younger brother, Naveed, in a suicide bombing - was not used in the film, but the transcript is available to read:

Hikmat (right) talking with his friend, Nabiullah, who is featured in Angels Are Made Of Light; Hikmat’s interview - about the death of his younger brother, Naveed, in a suicide bombing - was not used in the film, but the transcript is available to read:

 
 

Hikmatullah - or hikmat - was 13 years old in December, 2014, when we RECORDED HIS STORY during a 50-minute audio interview

THE TRANSLATION FROM DARI IS EXACT, with some [notes].

T378_1.WAV - T379_1.WAV
INTERVIEW WITH HIKMAT
2014_12_04
KABUL, AFGHANISTAN
INTERVIEW: SABOOR ARGHANDIWAL
SOUND: JAMES LONGLEY

18:47:41:21

We were riding in a car

and the driver was going so fast.

My father told him to “slow down

18:47:49:07

so we don’t have an accident,”

and the driver said “okay.”

18:47:52:10

18:47:55;22

When were near the gate of the ministry,

there was a gigantic boom.

18:48:02:02

18:48:03:13

I passed out.

18:48:05:03

18:48:05:21

Half the people were lying on the street.

18:48:08:15

Half the people were lying on the street.

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Others were running.

Others were covered in blood.

18:48:16:04

They were lying on the street.

They could not stand;

their arms and legs were blown off.

18:48:20:19

..

Their arms and legs were blown off.

18:48:24:04

They were lying on the ground, looking around;

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there was nobody to help them,

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to take them away.

18:48:31:19

The ambulance came after 5 minutes;

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They took everyone away.

18:48:36:19

18:48:39:11

My father and I walked away.

My head was wrapped in a neckerchief.

18:48:44:17

18:48:46:19

We were looking for Naveed -

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- to take my brother -

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My father took my brother out of the car.

18:48:55:06

When we went back, those soldiers pointed their guns at us.

18:48:59:12

18:49:00:22

We lay on the ground.

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Some of the people knelt on the pavement.

18:49:05:09

Some of the people were standing.

18:49:06:19

The soldiers told us, “Don’t move.”

18:49:08:09

18:49:10:21

We raised our hands and my father told them

“We have a wounded person here. Can’t you see we are also wounded?”

18:49:19:08

By the time we took my brother out of the car

so many ambulances had arrived.

18:49:23:14

So many ambulances came and they took the people, and also us,

18:49:28:06

then the firefighters came and cleaned up all the blood and everything.

18:49:31:21

The ambulance was driving very fast.

18:49:35:14

18:49:38:18

When they took us

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to the hospital

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there were beds and doctors and everything.

18:49:46:03

They put us on the beds.

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They inspected us and then took the martyrs to the morgue

18:49:52;07

and the wounded were written in the list of wounded.

18:49:58:13

They took me there [the room for wounded] and they stitched me up.

18:50:03:09

There was another man whose arm and leg had been blown off.

When they were sewing him the poor guy was screaming like anything.

18:50:12:07

He was yelling out: “Don’t do it, Mr. Doctor!”

18:50:15:18

The doctor answered him, “Just endure it if you want to survive.”

18:50:20:14

While they were sewing up his arm and leg

they were stitching up this place [points to right side of own face] because it was all torn up.

18:50:29:10

When it started hurting a lot I grabbed onto the railing of the bed until they finished.

18:50:37:20

They finished and my uncles came in after a few minutes.

18:50:42:11

18:50:47:08

They looked at the list of wounded

and he [Naveed] wasn’t there.

18:50:51:07

He wasn’t in the list of wounded so

they went to check the rooms for martyrs. [morgue]

18:50:59:05

18:51:02:23

My uncle went to the morgue

and they saw my brother as soon as they opened the door.

18:51:09:03

They started crying and yelling -

18:51:12:07

and I didn’t know because I was unconscious.

18:51:15:18

After they stitched me up -

18:51:17:11

18:51:21:12

Doctors were coming by every minute.

18:51:23:10

They said “Are you okay,”

and I replied “I’m fine, thank God,”

18:51:26:02

“how is my brother, Naveed?”

I was thinking about him constantly.

18:51:29:17

I loved his life more than my own.

18:51:31:22

I was asking: “Where is he?”

And they were saying, “He’s fine - you’re in worse shape than he is.”

18:51:36:19

“God willing, you’ll both be fine.”

18:51:39:06

18:51:42:11

They took him [Hikmat’s father] to his cousin’s house.

18:51;44:20

Then he changed clothes;

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he changed into white clothes.

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His uncle embraced him.

18:51:54:06

18:51:57:18

“Make your heart strong; your son has passed away.”

My father cried.

18:52:01:21

They cried, and then

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they brought in [to the courtyard] the body.

18:52:05:22

For a few minutes my mother, grandfather and grandmother and the others

looked at him.

18:52:11:03

When they saw him like that

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they fell senseless in the yard.

18:52:17:04

They took him away and buried him.

18:52:19:13

-

18:52:39:09

I barely heard the sound of the explosion;

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it exploded with huge sound.

18:52:45:21

The car jumped high in the air

and when it landed

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I was injured and fell senseless.

18:52:51:15

Some of the people were running away.

Some remained.

18:52:55:13

At the moment the explosion happened -

18:52:58:06

18:53:34:13

The car was stuck in traffic.

18:53:37:02

It was in traffic.

18:53:39:00

Suddenly the car jumped high in the air.

18:53:41:17

It jumped up high and landed hard.

18:53:45:00

All the windows shattered.

18:53:46:11

It was wintertime

so our windows were all rolled up.

18:53:49:12

The windows were shattered and the fragments flew at us along with gravel.

18:53:53:05

A piece of glass hit my brother in his vein [jugular?]

and he collapsed.

18:53:57:19

My face was also covered in glass and gravel.

18:54:01:06

My face was injured, and so was my father’s,

18:54:03:17

and the driver - everyone was collapsed on the ground.

18:54:05:21

At the same time, people were running away toward Murad Khani and 40 Meter Road.

18:54:11:00

Many people were lying on the pavement and the median.

18:54;17:09

They were lying injured from pieces of glass and gravel.

The policemen were coming at a run.

18:54:23:20

The policemen were looking out for other suicide bombers trying to explode themselves.

18:54:29:01

There was a lot of gunfire

and everyone scattered.

It was deserted;

18:54;32:11

there wasn’t a single soul,

18:54:34:10

just two or three passersby on the sidewalks.

18:54:37:06

Those people were running;

my father gave them a handkerchief to bind up my head.

18:54:43:14

18:54:44:19

When they bound it up

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I felt hemmed in [claustrophobic]

and I pulled the kerchief down to my neck.

18:54;50;15

When I pulled it down to my neck it was covered in blood.

18:54:53:09

My father was jumping in front of cars. [trying to stop them]

18:54:56;13

There was no ambulance, and they were begging to be taken to the hospital, or home.

But nobody paid attention.

18:55:03:05

They were driving as fast as they could in their cars.

18:55:05:16

They were speeding past us.

18:55:08:21

My father held out his arms to them

but no car stopped.

18:55;12:13

They just drove past.

18:55:14:01

After five minutes

the ambulances arrived.

18:55:16:22

18:55:38:01

Those who are suicide bombers, or the like:

18:55;41:06

they will go to Hell.

They have no bright future, or anything.

18:55:47:11

They are killing the Muslims and their families.

18:55:50:03

No house has been untouched by this fire.

18:55:55:03

18:55:57:23

No house is left untouched

18:56:00:07

by sorrow.

18:56:02:05

[skip]

19:04:04:18

At the moment of the explosion

19:04:07:04

a piece of shrapnel went right into his brain and he died on the spot,

without even a whisper.

19:04:13:07

He couldn’t even say “Ah!”

19:04:14:17

When they took him to the hospital,

19:04:16:20

they said: “We’ve lost him now.”

19:04:19:15

Those doctors said.

And so they took him to the morgue.

19:04:23:05

My father also didn’t know about it for a couple of hours.

19:04:27:03

19:05:22:04

I felt so bad.

19:05:25:01

It would have been better had I died instead of him.

19:05:27:01

19:06:02:02

In that time,

I was in the hospital for four days

19:06:04:23

and when they took me home ...

19:06:07:17

19:06:15:12

They were just deceiving me:

19:06:17:09

“Your brother is injured and he’s in the same hospital.”

And others told me:

“Your uncle has taken him to be cured in a foreign country.”

19:06:28:17

“They’ll cure his legs.”

19:06:30:13

When I saw a crowd of people around [his house] -

19:06:34:10

When I saw the crowd of people I thought to myself:

“Maybe my brother was killed.”

19:06:41:03

I had different thoughts.

19:06:45:01

My cousin came and opened the door quickly.

I was sleeping in a room and all the people gathered around me.

19:06:53:20

Someone came, and they said:

“Come, she is here because of Naveed.”

19:06:57:14

The neighbor came because of Naveed.

[I thought] “Maybe Naveed has been killed, since everyone is coming because of him.”

19:07:05:04

She came because of Naveed.

My uncle told me - “No - she’s just stupid.”

19:07:11:15

19:07:59:14

I was sitting like that with my uncle’s mobile in my hand.

19:08:04:03

My grandfather told my father:

“Let’s tell the boy.”

19:08:08:19

So my father said,

“Come close to me.”

And when I did

19:08:11:15

19:08:13:05

my father told me there -

he said,

“By the will of God your brother was martyred and left this world.”

19:08:18:11

“My son, be strong.

19:08:20:05

You loved your brother a lot.”

19:08:22:09

And there I cried out loudly.

19:08:27:18

I could not contain it.

I said, “let’s go to his grave.”

and we went there.

19:08:32:22

19:08:43:21

We went to his grave,

19:08:45;21

we prayed there.

19:08:48:11

We recited the Holy Qur’an over him.

19:08:50:18

My father bought 14 kilos of oranges

19:08:54:17

and when the children and all the people came by

19:08:58:00

he gave them out as charity.

19:08:59:20

When we visited his grave on Fridays

we prepared sweets.

19:09:06:21

We went to his grave and handed out the sweets as charity on Fridays.

19:09:13:16

19:09:20:04

Sometimes when I remember him

my thoughts take me away.

19:09:26:04

19:09:34:02

We were always together.

19:09:35:19

We had a strong friendship.

19:09:38:12

Everywhere I went, he was with me -

19:09:40:21

everywhere we went, home or anywhere,

19:09:43:09

all my meals - everything was with him.

19:09:45:22

19:10:37:09

We were all sad - my father’s sisters,

my mother’s sisters,

19:10:41;10

but my father’s sister and mother’s sister were crying the most

19:10:46;11

with my father and mother.

19:10:49:13

When we went to his grave

my father’s sister beat the earth with her hands.

19:10:56:00

She put a handful of dust from the grave into her pocket

19:10:58:20

because she loved him a lot.

19:11:01:17

19:11:14;12

I get very sad,

and I wish he could also be with us.

19:11;19:20

19:11:36:11

I missed the funeral and the reception because I was in the hospital.

19:11;40;20

19:12:00:19

When my father tells me about it,

19:12:02:19

he says,

“Many people came to his funeral.”

19:12:07:18

19:12;41:07 [talking about his brother, Naveed]

His heart was always with the poor.

19:12:46;03

19:13:23:03 [day before the bombing]

That day it was a Friday.

19:13;26;01

He was very happy.

19:13;27;11

He was happy and walking together with all of his friends.

19:13:33;12

He went to his father’s sister’s house

to his mother’s sister’s house

and his grandfather and grandmother’s house.

19:13:38:00

He went everywhere and fetched water for everyone,

then went strolling

19:13:42:15

with his friends.

And the next day he was killed.

19:13:46;22

19:14;24:08

Every time I see a boy his age with his face

19:14:30:11

I am reminded of him.

19:14:32:11

19:15:27:22

When I’m alone in the shop

19:15;30:17

my heart grows heavy,

and I wish he were with me.

19:15:36:19

For example - when my father’s customers come,

19:15:39:10

when there’s a crowd,

I can’t fill their orders.

19:15:43:00

19:15:47:00

When he was alive it was good:

he would help me with the scales and bringing the sacks,

19:15:52:09

and he would take the peoples’ orders to them on a cart.

19:15:56:11

19:18:18:23

My brother was Naveed,

19:18:21;14

he was my brother.

19:18:23:03

He understood everything.

He was ranked second in his class;

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he was intelligent,

and he kept second position until the fourth grade.

19:18:30:09

19:18:54;21

He was clever in English and the Holy Qur’an.

19:18:57;12

He was clever in all of his school subjects;

19:19:01:00

he understood and he studied.

19:19:02:13

19:23:45:03

My name is Hikmatullah.

19:23:47:04

I have a friend named Nabiullah.

19:23:50:08

They’re next to our shop. [Nabiullah’s father’s liver stand]

19:23;53;11

They sell liver kebab

and we sell groceries like flour and oil.

19:24:00:02

Their school is near Lahore Gate

and our school is in Ashakan-e-Arafan.

19:24:03:23

When we became friends [with Nabiullah]

I went to his house and he came to our house during Eid.

19:24;11;14

We have given each other the hand of brotherhood.

19:24:14:04

We’re always together,

19:24:16:07

every minute of the day.

19:24:17:23

19:24;54;21

We are good friends now.

He’s a very nice boy:

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he’s very polite.

19:25:01:03

So we put our hands together in brotherhood,

19:25:04:20

and now we’re good friends and pals.

19:25:07:11

19:25:18:09

Little by little I got to be friends with him,

19:25:23;15

because I didn’t want to tell him straight away.

Maybe he would wonder what my reason was.

19:25:30:08

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Little by little we became friends.

19;25:34;05

Friendship is good

- it’s enough.

19:25:36:19

Fighting with people and such …

19:25:39:11

We have seen so much pain and suffering.

Enough.

19:25;43:01

Now I want to have friendship,

19:25:45:00

to bring peace to Afghanistan.

19:25:47:20

19:26:03:00

I saw Nabiullah at his stand [liver stand]

19:26:06;14

on the first or second day I came to the shop.

19:26:09:16

I saw that he was smiling at everyone.

19:26:13:15

He came and greeted me.

I liked him.

19:26;17:20

I thought - he’s a nice boy - so I said hello.

19:26:21:04

I sat with him and our friendship slowly grew

19:26:25:06

19:26:34:00

Nabiullah ...

19:26:35:01

19:26:38:18

You can pass your time with him.

19:26:40:03

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19:31:32:07

I saw my brother in a dream.

19:31:34:17

19:31:49:09

I was sleeping at home, and I dreamed about him in the night.

19:31:53:17

I was sleeping, and I saw that

19:31:56;23

light was pouring down

and he was dressed all in white.

19:32:02:18

He was clean and spotless

19:32:05:09

when I saw him.

19:32:08:13

I said,

“Naveed, what are you doing here - you were martyred.”

19:32:13:04

He said “I was martyred, but I have come to see you once again.”

19:32:17:14

He said “I come to see you every night,

19:32:22:06

but you can’t see me.”

19:32;25:07

I spoke with him for several minutes.

19:32:28:16

He said, “You can’t see me, but I can see you.”

19:32:32:21

He was wearing clean white clothes.

19:32:34:20

He was standing in the garden

and an old man came;

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he said, “Naveed, my child,

19:32:41:10

let’s go - it’s time to eat.”

19:32:43:23

When he went away I awoke.

19:32:46;19

I woke up to the morning call to prayer.

19:32:49:08

19:34:24:00

It had been a long time;

19:34:25:07

I had even forgotten his face,

19:34:27:23

and I hadn’t seen him,

19:34:29:18

and I missed him so much.

So I asked God to send him to my dreams.

19:34:34:12

19:35;17:10

He came to my mother’s dream every hour.

19:35:20:22

My mother saw him often in her dreams.

19:35:23:04

19:35:25:04

He would come into my mother’s dreams,

and though my father wept -

19:35:29:01

he didn’t appear in my father’s dreams.

19:35:30:18

19:35:59:02

He was wearing a white cap on his head

19:36:02:17

and his clothes were shining white.

19:36:05;21

COMPLETE FILE

 

Hikmat at 13, 2014, Kabul, Afghanistan